Jeremy lassen ([info]jlassen) wrote,
@ 2008-04-24 17:54:00
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Let me tell you a story of Poor Richard
Poor Richard is the font that was used for a lot of the titling in the William Hope Hodgson series of books.

Poor Richard was distributed under lisence with some miccrosloth app, or another, so at some point, I had a legit version of it, and decided to use it for the Hodgson.

When laying out the book in Page Maker, I "bolded" this font... Pagemaker was an old school program that committed the typographic sin of, when a "true" bold version of a particular font doesn't actually exist, it creates a "false bold."

I've since upgraded to InDesign -- InDesign does NOT create "false bolds" because false bolds are an abomination before the eyes of the typography gods. And any "modern" font should have a bold version available, so one should NEVER need to create false bolds.


I really really really don't want to layout Hodgson Volume 5 in Pagemaker. Pagemaker is kind of stodgy and sucky, and it will take twice as long, and then I'll have to do it MYSELF because Ross doesn't know how to use pagemake -- Ross knows how to use InDesign. SO... I'd like to use indesign.

To do so, I need a copy of a "REAL" version of Poor Richard Bold, which I don't have. Or I need to figure out what kind of magic "make it wider, make it taller make it outline.. whatever" that pagemaker did, so I can manually create a "bold" style in Indesign that approximates what Pagemaker did automagicallly.

So... how does one, using standard typographic tools such as "fatter, taller, outline/whatever", does one create a false bold? My google foo has defeated me on this one. All I come up with are religious tracts explaining why false bolds are abomination, and anyone who considers them are apostate.

Or... conversely, if anybody wanted to email me a poor richard bold file, I'd be in your debt forever.

Yours in DTP hell.

-Jeremy

PS this isn't nearly as bad as the time when Adobe Acrobat 4 refused to embed my old school fonts into the Wellman layouts, because adobe had defined a new licensing bit in font files that was said to indicate weather the font could be embedded or not. Except of course all the freeware fonts created before this new standard had the embed bit set to no be default, because the descriptor bit wasn't defined when the font was created. So my font that I could embed under acrobat v. 3 could not no longer be embbeded. So when my printer required that I send in files using the new version of acrobat, I couldn't create the files. I searched for two days before I found a little command line utility that allowed me to flip the bit on my font, and embed it, and get a print quality PDF off to my printer... two days late. I still treasure this little app, and it has saved my ass more then once. (I wonder where I archived it... hmmmm... This is important because adobe sent its author a cease and desist DMC letter, saying that it violated their copy protection schemes and was thus illegal and creating or distributing it would result in his being brought up on criminal charges, etc., even though it had perfectly acceptable non-copy protection circumvention uses... liking allowing me to embed my freeware JEEPNY font into my damn wellman PDFs!)

Grrrr.

PPS
Clearly the reason I'm facing this problem is because Hodgson 5 has entered production. Please don't ask when its going to be out, because that answer is directly releated to how quickly someone sends me POOR RICHARD BOLD!



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[info]haddayr
2008-04-25 01:04 am UTC (link)
Is this just for the title? Or do you use the bold throughout in various places?

Because I can make anything look bold and then output it as an image in Illustrator.

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[info]haddayr
2008-04-25 01:05 am UTC (link)
I mean, and if it's just for the title or a few places and you're happy to use an image I'd be glad to do it for you. I was not just bragging about my mad Illustrator Skillz to make you feel sad and small.

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[info]jlassen
2008-04-25 01:32 am UTC (link)
it's throughout... every header... 32 different title headers, 32 different chapter headers. Titling on the title page and half title page.

A single rendered titling wont' do it. :(

Not even a few rendered titles.

Thanks though.

-jl

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[info]haddayr
2008-04-25 02:05 pm UTC (link)
aw, bummer. I hope you can find that font.

If not, 32 or so rendered titles isn't really that much.

It does add to the size of a file you send to a printer and probably the cost, though.

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[info]tim_pratt
2008-04-25 01:34 am UTC (link)
I have no advice, but I share your pain regarding the vanishing of false bolds when I upgraded from Pagemaker to InDesign. (Even though I had a printing snafu on Flytrap #1 because I used false bolds that dropped out when it printed. Argh.)

More painful was the loss of a "build booklet" function -- I had to buy a third-party application for InDesign to do what Pagemaker did for free! Grr and so forth.

We're about to upgrade to InDesign CS 3 at work. I'm halfway excited and halfway worried.

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[info]kip_w
2008-04-25 01:58 am UTC (link)
If it helps, "Poor Richard" seems to be based on "Franklin" (logically enough), so a bold version of Franklin might suffice for Poor Richard Bold. Not an exact match, but the letters are similarly shaped. You can also scan a sample of your bold font, take it to What The Font? and see if it offers you an alternative you can get at low (or no) cost.

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[info]tanaise
2008-04-25 02:31 am UTC (link)
The most important thing I have learned today is that there is a font called Monkey Pants. I shall treasure this image forever. Or for the next 20 minutes.

Edited at 2008-04-25 02:37 am UTC

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[info]the_flea_king
2008-04-25 02:59 am UTC (link)
For Mac or PC?

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[info]the_flea_king
2008-04-25 03:05 am UTC (link)
Try adding a stroke to your style, like .1 point or something along those lines? (Continuing to check resources for Poor Richard)

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[info]the_flea_king
2008-04-25 03:26 am UTC (link)
I don't have it. YOu can buy it for about $45. I tried out the stroke method I mentioned above and it looked not bad around .2 or so. The tilt is how I fake italics in InDesign by the way, if you ever need to do that. About 10-15 degrees does it.

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[info]lossrockhart
2008-04-26 04:24 am UTC (link)
I'll give your "stroke" method a shot. Thanks.

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